Plea in Lok Sabha for ‘National Book’ status to Bhagavad Gita!
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Plea in Lok Sabha for ‘National Book’ status to Bhagwad Gita!
New Delhi: BJP members in the Lok Sabha on Monday made a strong plea for declaring Bhagwad Gita as “National Book” and urged the Centre to organise international festival on the lines announced by Haryana government.
Noting that the scripture teaches immortal values and is a guide to humanity, he hailed the Bhagvad Gita Mahotsave held at Kurukhshetra recently. He also wanted that learning of Bhagvad Gita be made part of school curriculum.
His plea was supported by a large number of his party colleagues with thumping of desks.
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Face to Face with Frustration
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Hare KrishnaBy Murari Gupta Dasa

"Please cancel my tickets," I said to my friend on the phone. "I won't be able to go." I hung up the phone and sank down onto my bed, my head in my hands. My friend had arranged my tickets for the trip to Jagannatha Puri and Mayapur I had been so eagerly looking forward to, and now I had to cancel. The past few weeks in my life had been very turbulent, so when my friends proposed a spiritual retreat to these two holy places so dear to the followers of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, I jumped at the offer, hoping for a welcome break. But it couldn't happen now. My stringent schedule was not loosening its grip on me. "Damn it!" I cried out. I shot from the bed, threw my pillow to the ground, and pulled out the bed sheet. I lifted the mattress and wanted to fling it too, but it was too heavy. I dropped it half on the floor, stomped out of the room, went into the bathroom, and stood with my arms bent over the sink. Breathing heavily, I stared down at the dark drain and dripped tears into it. Continue reading "Face to Face with Frustration
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Defining the Divine, East and West
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Hare KrishnaBy Satyaraja Dasa

“The Bhagavad-gita teaches a pantheistic view of God,” he said, his confidence and years of learning clear from his authoritative tone. “The massive vishvarupa—Krishna’s universal form, which encompasses all material phenomena, including time—tells us much about God in the Gita.” His friend, another scholar of some renown, seemed to disagree. “The Gita goes beyond pantheism. It shows us how to perceive God in all things. The Tenth Chapter, especially, shows us how Krishna is the superlative exemplar in seventy categories, how He exists in the perceivable world.” A third colleague gave his considered opinion as well: “The Gita ultimately teaches bhakti, devotion to Krishna, the supreme personal Deity. In this sense, it is not unlike the great monotheistic traditions of the West. I think you’ve both missed the point.” I was attending a panel discussion at a conference of the American Academy of Religion, and as I sat back and listened, I noted that all three scholars were correct, each in his own way. I considered deeply their individual perspectives, and I realized something: The Gita has it all! Continue reading "Defining the Divine, East and West
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Serving Krsna as a Husband or a Wife What Makes It Rough, What Makes It Smooth
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Hare KrishnaBy Visakha Devi Dasi

'In a restaurant or place for drinking cold water, many travelers are brought together, and after drinking water they continue to their respective destinations. Similarly, living entities join together in a family, and later, as a result of their own actions, they are led apart to their destinations'. (Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.2.21) Srila Prabhupada remarks, 'In the material world a so-called family is a combination of several persons in one home to fulfill the terms of their imprisonment. As criminal prisoners scatter as soon as their terms are over and they are released, all of us who have temporarily assembled as family members will continue to our respective destinations'. Continue reading "Serving Krsna as a Husband or a Wife What Makes It Rough, What Makes It Smooth
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Vaishnava Wedding of ISKCON devotees @ Hong Kong, China (Album…
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Vaishnava Wedding of ISKCON devotees @ Hong Kong, China (Album with photos)
I am not a brahmana, I am not a ksatriya, I am not a vaisya or a sudra. Nor am I a brahmacari, a householder, a vanaprastha or a sannyasi. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna, the maintainer of the gopis. (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 13.80)
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Interest In Vedic Pedagogy Increases in Finland
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Finland has been one of the most successful countries in the world in education. The universities and educational institutions are open to different educational concepts. Among other high-quality educational programs, Finland is exporting the concepts of creative education to different countries - to India, too. Tattvavada Das has been part of the Finnish Council for Creative Education  (CEE) team since 2014.

Gita 07.28 – Dont expect immediate steady determination – use present determination, even if unsteady
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Gita chp 13-18 overview – How jnana culminates in bhakti
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Sunday feast class at Radha Gopinath temple on the occasion of Gita Jayanti, 2015

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Encountering Vishnu: The Lion Avatar in Indian Temple Drama.
Five rare wooden sculptural masks made in India—recently acquired by The Metropolitan Museum of Art of New York—will be highlighted in the special exhibition Encountering Vishnu: The Lion Avatar in Indian Temple Drama, opening at the Met on December 19. Worn by actors in dramatic plays that were presented during religious festivals in southern India, the masks represent a largely unrecorded category of late medieval devotional art from India. The exhibition is made possible by The Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Foundation Fund. The appearances of Vishnu in many guises, known as avatars, are most famously celebrated in his Ten Avatars (Dasavatar).
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Gita Jayanti 2015 @Gedung Ksirarnawa Art Centre Denpasar Bali (Album with photos)
Gita Jayanti celebrates the appearance day of the Bhagavad-gita. In the year 2015, this sacred event was celebrated in Bali, Indonesia on the 20th of December at the prestigious Bali Art Center. The Bhagavad-gita was spoken to Arjuna by Lord Sri Krsna on the battlefield of Kuruksetra (in present day Haryana, India) approximately 5000 years ago. On this day, ISKCON in Indonesia actively hosts events that promote the philosophy and culture of the holy Gita through dance, drama, food and traditional chanting. Honorable guests from the Hindu Dharma Council of Indonesia and other instances are present to celebrate.
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Last Push for the UK Sankirtan devotees who try to reach the…
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Last Push for the UK Sankirtan devotees who try to reach the goal of 100.000 books distributed during the December marathon.
Sutapa Das: The finish line is in sight - now the marathon runners close their eyes, shut out all other thoughts, and draw on every last bit of energy - all the hard work culminates here! 88,000 reached - we need 12,000 books distributed in 2 days! Its the last push…
Special thanks for the “100k Effort” goes to Tanmay prabhu. For the last month, he has been offloading pallets, giving out books, updating the thermometer, and running around all day facilitating the book distributors. Over 40,000 books must have passed through his trusty hands! Always smiling, no complaints. Tanmay prabhu - you’re the best!
And for that matter, we would like to thank all the devotees doing ‘background services’ (driving, cooking, covering services) to facilitate the devotees distributing books. Without you, the marathon doesn’t happen. Thank you, thank you, thank you

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December 23. ISKCON 50 – S.Prabhupada Daily Meditations.
Prabhupada has said that each person is ultimately alone, like a pilot in a one-man airplane. This will be made clear to us at the time of death when we have to “fly our own plane.” Then we will want to surrender ourselves fully to Prabhupada and Krishna. Then there will be no relief in medicines, when the body itself, which seemed to be our friend and shelter, will not be able to sustain us. Worldly pleasures and possessions will lose their taste. Now is the time to prepare. Later, our ability to think of Krishna and Prabhupada will be impaired. Telling memories of Prabhupada is for now, when we are looking for subject matter for hearing and reading, and when we are capable of it. The living being is so lively and curious that if he doesn’t hear of the pure devotee, he will hear something else. So Prabhupada meditation is a way to keep the mind fixed at the lotus feet of the pure devotees.
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The Cost of Love
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"Okay Maddalena, we love you. We're praying for you," I said. I gave one last wave. My future mother-in-law was lying on a hospital bed, dressed in a blue gown. She smiled, but I could see the tense lines around her eyes.

Maddalena waved back with her fingers. "It'll be over soon," she said. "Then we're done."

Rick and I left the hospital and walked out into the gray, windy, and rainy day. The surgery would take several hours to complete, as well as recovery time to wake up from the anesthesia. We would return when the surgery was complete.

The thought flitted across my mind: Maddalena would love to be greeted with flowers when she woke up from surgery. Maybe we could go to the store and buy some.

When we got home, thought, I got absorbed in work and lost track of time. After hours had passed, I glanced at the clock and my heart sunk - oh dear, much too late to go to a florist shop.

Rick and I put on our shoes and walked out the front door. I saw that Maddalena's hibiscus bush was blooming brilliantly, almost in defiance of such a gloomy day. The giant orange flowers twirled playfully, their centers a bright red, their stamens reaching out as if to say, "Hello!"

It is described that the flower represents Krishna's, or God's, smiling face. Maybe that's why we smile when we see them. I smiled and picked a hibiscus.

When Rick and I reached the hospital, I put the flower into a paper cup and filled it with water from the tap. We waited a long time, anxiously checking the computer screen to see when Maddalena would be ready for visitors.

At long last, we were ushered over by the doctor to discuss her condition - she was doing very well. Soon after a nurse guided us to Maddalena's unit. Rick entered first, and he held her hand. She spoke softly, her movements heavy.

Then she turned to me, and when she saw the flower, a smile blossomed on her face. I was struck by the sudden light that shone from her eyes. "Oh! You brought me a flower! How beautiful!" I sensed she knew exactly where this flower had come from, but it didn't seem to matter that she had grown the flower herself. I handed her the paper cup and she beamed. She then had me place the cup on the little hospital table.

Maddalena is a woman of great spirit and also movement. Not to be slowed down by an intensive surgery, she insisted on getting dressed in her own clothes right then, and with a call for a wheelchair to assist her out of the hospital, we were ready to go. "Where's my flower?" She inquired. "Bring my flower,"

I dutifully brought the flower.

When we got home, I helped Maddalena climb the stairs to her room to rest. When she was lying down in bed, she said, "Bring my flower, put it here,"

So I brought up her flower and placed it on her nightstand. I placed her cool hand in mine and sang to her prayers for protection, then gently slipped away.

In the ancient scripture the Bhagavad Gita, God says that one need only offer Him a leaf, flower, piece of fruit, or water with love, and He will accept it. This is the definition of bhakti, or loving devotion. I had given Maddalena a flower from her own bush, in a paper cup. And yet she saw the little drop of love with which that flower was offered, and that is what she treasured. Her heart was deeply moved by this flower, she had smiled, and her spirits had lifted because she had felt my love for her.

God can be satisfied with a crown of diamonds. He can be satisfied with a wildflower. He could be satisfied with a single drop of water. All that it takes is a drop of our own love, to offer what He already owns back to Him, and God's heart is satisfied. Amazing. The creator of the universe is satisfied by a wildflower.

This is bhakti. Bhakti costs nothing.

Love costs nothing.

Nothing.

I believe that bhakti is the expression of the heart, the soul. Bhakti is so simple, so breathtakingly, sublimely simple.


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Sunday, December 20th, 2015
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Sunday, December 20th, 2015
Honolulu, Hawaii

No Billboards

Radha bit me today.

Radha is the name of the parrot who is lovingly being looked after by her owner, Narahari. My finger just got too close to her as I was trying to be friendly. She lives at home with Narahari, a haven of a place with tropical gardens, Koi goldfish fountains, and an exotic home with an Indonesian touch. Narahari has been doing 700 marriages a year at this house of his, which is also a tourist attraction. If you’re getting a marriage solemnized here, just stay away from Radha, who is very pretty to look at with his blood-red feathers.

Now, just across the road, and with a few meters walk, you land yourself on the beach known as Hale’iwa Alii. It was here that our guru, Srila Prabhupada, touched the ocean in the early 70’s, got wet, and splashed himself. Just down the street called Laumilo at number 911, he did spend some days. You can consider this area a place of pilgrimage.

Narahari was relaying this information to Gurudev, Madhan, and I, while we were taking a stroll over the sand. We were actually going to sail today, but high winds restricted us from making the journey to Gilligan’s Island.

Being Sunday, the globally known Hare Krishna Sunday Feast was held at the Iskcon center, where I was asked to speak. My chosen verse was 9.2 from the Gita, and, since tomorrow is the anniversary of the Gita being spoken, which coincidentally falls on the winter solstice this year, it was deemed appropriate to explain how this dialogue brought forth Krishna’s sublime wisdom as the raja-vidya, the king of knowledge.

What else can be said of Hawaii? Well, you have exquisite beaches, moderate weather, rainbows, pineapple groves, mild people, and finally, no billboards! It’s illegal to have one. That makes it like heaven.

May the Source be with you!

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Saturday, December 19th, 2015
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Saturday, December 19th, 2015
Haleiwa, Hawaii

Being Saturday

Madan was kind to drive me to the place where I left off from the day before, at Pearl City Mall. From there it became a series of complex ramps leading to highways that became part of my route for the day. Because it was 4:30 AM, and it’s a Saturday, these tight ramps were passable. Eventually, I made it to Highway 99, and while still dark (and raining), a Hawaiian fellow stopped and offered a ride. I responded the usual way.

“Thanks so much, I’m a monk, and I’m walking to promote pilgrimage....” One hour later, and he came back with a bag of goodies, including banana bread and M&Ms. He stopped and held up quite a back log of traffic. He was determined to please.

I encountered a bit more of the same. One after the other, motorists stopped to offer rides, and of course, I had to courteously decline, and they would go on their merry way. Being Saturday, I believe people generally carry a more chilled out mood.

It was actually a tree that also demonstrated charity. This was a guava tree situated along the side of the road. I recognized it as such for there being a single piece of fruit that lie under it. It was hard to detect any more fruit hanging from the tree, I just had a wish to have one undamaged fruit to try. It would be nice for a refresher. At that moment, a sizeable guava fell from a high branch, landed on the soft grass below, and rolled its way right to my feet. Yes, it was mystical, and yes, it tasted fine, sweet and succulent.

Madan and I made it to the north shore after 6 ½ hours of my walking on Oahu Island, passing many pineapple groves. We then took a swim close to where all the surfers do their thing. As I’ve experienced in the past, walking and swimming go hand in hand. Our final destination was at the home of Vrindavan Das, who hails from Bengal, and in his home, he has an elaborate altar set up. I consider that- a 32 mile trek from Honolulu in the south, up to the north shore- to be an actual pilgrimage, since it entailed going from one temple to another.

May the Source be with you!

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Friday, December 18th, 2015
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Friday, December 18th, 2015
Pearl City, Hawaii

Walking Hawaii

My godbrother, Narahari, could understand 100% what I was talking about when I mentioned hip issues while walking for hours along the road’s slant. He said, “It’s like the beach, it affects your hips and knees. We’re getting too old for that.” He’s 67, I’m four years behind. But even a young spring chicken of a fellow could feel the challenge on his skeleton walking along the slant of a river or the slant of a beach.

Fortunately today, on a snap decision to go on a moderate marathon walk, the trail through the guts of Honolulu– industrial, residential, and even the dwellings of homeless people under bridges, was relatively flat.

I managed with the assistance of Madhan, and a support vehicle, to make it through a 12 mile stretch. Moving along the northern edge of Pearl Harbor Base, and up to Pearl City Mall. The people, I find, are generally mild and timid, but respectful, and as what would be expected, the youth are wired up to ‘listen in’ and be ‘zoned out’. In the evening, our planned outdoor kirtan at Waikiki Beach was cancelled due to high winds and rain. In its stead, our group of devotees gathered to read, as I charaded out the story of Krishna and Princess Rukmini’s elopement. A passage that really grounded us was a statement by author, Srila Prabhupada, wherein he says, “A peaceful mind is the basis for becoming truthful, clean, equipoised, self controlled, and tolerant.”

May the Source be with you!

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Thursday, December 17th, 2015
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Thursday, December 17th, 2015
Honolulu, Hawaii

By The Sands

Madan Gopal, originally from Oklahoma, had settled down here on the island of Oahu. He was kind enough to drive me to the south shore where we could enjoy a brief walk to Magic Island, which is actually a peninsula. The distance wasn’t much, as the divine pressures of time propelled us to make it for the 7:30 darshan at the temple.

Later in the day, Gurudev and Madan drove us to the island’s far western corner, where a famed lighthouse is situated. There we hit the sand allowing ourselves to be by the ocean’s waves, which swept up a number of those blue bottle jellyfish. The blue bottle bear this toxic, nematocysts that sting you and leave a paralyzed feeling. I know little about the blue bottle, but I’ve seen them in the water in Durbanwith their long tentacles. It reminds me of the numerous sea creatures that are actually a bit dangerous.

It is awesome how there is this diversity of living entities that populate the water and the world, some of which come across as seemingly hateful. Perhaps human beings excel in this area. There is the statement by Nikola Tesla, inventor of many things, who said, “If your hate could be turned into electricity, it could light up the world.”

On the brighter side, Gurudev had hosted a number of people to his home, where he asked that I speak about a number of experiences on the road. In the group was Balabhadra, renowned for his sustaining cows and training oxen. He flew from his home in Floridato see his mom who just turned 100. A letter was sent from Obama’s office congratulating her.

May the Source be with you!

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Wednesday, December 16th, 2015
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Wednesday, December 16th, 2015
Burnaby/Honolulu

Near To Heaven

I’m now en route to Hawaiiand it is by way of air travel. Actually, it’s Air Canada that is my carrier. It appears to be a new aircraft, a 7-something-7. Passengers are noting the spacious leg room. There’s no screens, which is probably good. You may rent an iPad, if you want. The meal is optional and you pay for that as well. All payment is done by credit card, which rules me out. It ended up being a fully capacitated but quiet flight. Hey, we can all do with a little more shanty, peace, right?

I took a good amount of time to reading “Journal of Vaishnava Studies”, which is probably my favorite of all reads; outside of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust material. I also managed to secure a copy of the “Globe and Mail” newspaper to catch up on the world scene. There was a whole spread on the truth and reconciliation of native children in Canadian residential schools, and the government’s response towards amending. It got me quite emotional looking at pictures of the kids who lead very disturbed lives, beginning with being taken away from their parents. These tragedies went on from the late 1800’s to 1996.

I was greeted by Gurudev Allin of Honoluluafter the plane touched down. Family and friends of his were kind to drive me to the local Iskcon temple; which just went through a major battle fumigating termites. Even Hawaiiis not heaven.

One strong feature about life in the material world – there’s bugs everywhere.

May the Source be with you!

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Bhagavatam study 16 – 1.4.14-25 – The tradition makes itself accessible
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Tuesday, December 15th, 2015
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Tuesday, December 15th, 2015
Burnaby, British Columbia

Do Monks Eat Pizza?

Do monks eat pizza? Answer is yes, in our order, we do. Do monks take sweets? I
confess – sometimes. Do monks partake in samosas? Most definitely.

When it comes to eating I do not break rules, but there is one condition, the menu must be prasadam; food offered to Krishna. ‘Consecrated’ would be the word. We talked a little bit about the process of consecration, that is, food transformation, at the home of Jaya Sachi Suta and Julan Yatra, a very nice mature couple of siblings that hail from Fiji. They also ended up being the cooks to the meal that we enjoyed.

In addition to the above mentioned items on the menu I relished the juice, something called 'sour sop,' a macaroni salad, and tomato soup, as well as tamarind and coriander dips. It was a killer of a meal. This couple always spoils me. Other guests were there also.

For more information about a monk’s lifestyle in Krishna Consciousness, it really has much to do with eating, sleeping, meeting, and defending.

Now when we meet, whether it be amongst monks, lay members, or newcomers, we usually open a book and read something enlightening. I took the liberty at the gathering to pull off the shelf, Canto 1 of the text ‘Srimad Bhagavatam’ to the chapter, ‘Questions by the Sages’. The passage I read and discussed spoke of the hunger to the hearing of Krishna’s pastimes. The passage read much like a description of a succulent meal. The ‘pastimes’ were described as ‘sweet’ and ‘relishable’.

So, I got to thinking, that sacred verses or sacred passages are like a feast of a delectable magnitude.

May the Source be with you!

6 km

 

Favorite Prayer
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The other day a devotee asked me what is my favorite prayer from our Vaisnava scriptures. I replied with the following verse by Narada Muni, who was requesting a benediction from Lord Krsna. In service to my spiritual master, I would like to follow in his footsteps. “O swan gliding in the lakes of the [...]

Monday, December 14th, 2015
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Monday, December 14th, 2015
White Rock, British Columbia

Bird to Human

A young nursing student, Kuvera by name, and I, took to a trail that leads you to the Fraser River. It was dark at 5:30 AM but somehow Kuvera spotted the feather crane perched on a tree's branch and overlooking the creek. Instantaneously, he reminded me of a yogi in deep meditation, although more probably he was in slumber. At the sound of our footsteps and hushed words of his acknowledgement, he turned his neck and kept that eye on us revealing his proud beak.

We felt that the area is his turf and from that higher elevation he could be most observant over the space, including any meal that might make its way, in swimming format, from down below. He was inspirational to see there in solitary serenity; an admirable state of focus.

I made a visit to see a god-sister, Padyavali, who is spending her days in a seniors' home. Three of us guys, Kripanidhi, Manu, and I, spent some time with her and she really came across in the spunkiest and most jovial mood. We shared in a boisterous time in our corner of the lunch room. I believe she really needed the attention. After all, we may be spiritual, but there is also a call to be human. There's time to be a crane, but not all day long.

Time was also spent in visiting members of the community who will remain as such when given attention. It is an obligation, a privilege, and an honor.

The last installment of visitations was held at the weekly 'Holy Cow Kirtan' session in Vancouver, where we engaged people in kirtan and dance. I'm blessed to be part of a movement that offers a balance of introspection and joy.

May the Source be with you!

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Sunday, December 13th, 2015
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Sunday, December 13th, 2015
Burnaby, British Columbia

Sunday in Burnaby

I had done a quota of minimal kilometres but now it was time to sit down. It was 6:10pm during the Sunday Open House at the Burnabytemple, and such is the customary time for a delivery of words from “The Gita”. The crowds are not very big at this time and, like most temples that I’ve seen in Canada, the US, and practically all over the world, the volume of people goes on the rise closer to feast time.

In any event I sat down at the special asana referred to as the vyasasan, designated for the speaker. I sang the standard song of devotion “Jaya Radha Madhava”. Then I opened to the page in Bhagavad Gita, 7:13, and began to read the powerful words from the purport authored by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

“The whole world is enchanted by the three modes of material nature... Every living entity under the influence of material nature has a particular type of body and a particular type of psychological and biological activities accordingly... Although life is temporary and we do not know what we are going to be in the next life, by the spell of this illusory energy we consider ourselves in terms of this bodily conception of life, and we thus think that we are American, Indian, Russian, or brahmana, Hindu, Muslim, etc.”

On the basis of this message we were able to convey something that allowed people to listen, to process, and then it’s up to them- to act or not act- as all souls have their free will.

May the Source be with you!

4 km

 

Cast Iron Factory Located in Kolkata
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As research continues, we always try to find the best materials for the TOVP construction work. Sometimes they come from Europe, South America and other faraway places. But other times we find them locally, right here in West Bengal.

Sadbhuja prabhu recently visited an iron factory in Kolkata. The factory has been operating for over 100 years and they have more than 600 workers! They also export to many other countries. In the photos we can see samples of cast iron work that the factory has produced.

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Casting iron is a very versatile technique, as one can create any design at any size and thickness. The possibilities are truly endless.

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The peacock design in the photo is the first sample of cast iron that will be used for the TOVP, specifically on the Prabhupada Bridge.

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In general, the process of producing cast iron pieces is part of the finishing work of the TOVP.

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Jayadev @ Mantra Lounge – December 2015 (11 min video) Jayadev…
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Jayadev @ Mantra Lounge - December 2015 (11 min video)
Jayadev and the crew from Scotland brought the Mantra Choir to Mantra Lounge for our festive special on Friday evening, and it was incredible!! See the video for yourself here…. https://goo.gl/dE6ibi
You still have a chance to be part of the ‘Virtual Mantra Choir’ by taking a short clip of yourself and submitting it BEFORE New Years Eve 2015! Don’t miss out, see Mantra Choir for further details!!