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Prabhupada Letters :: 1974
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Whilst out on a japa walk I stopped watching a small herd of cows enjoying a warm spring day it is always pleasing watching then chew the grass, as I stood watching I was joined by an elderly lady.
Its always interesting listening to the person mews and contemplate life’s problems and rationalizing the irrational especially when it comes to cow economics. The lady noted how sad it was to see such a gentle animal as the cow in the field and how they wouldn’t be their if it wasn’t for the meat; after all the farmer only keeps then nicely and we can enjoy watching them because of this.
Her conclusion economics wins the heart on compassion to care for and protect the cow.
It always makes me smile as I looked down at her faithful companion a rather friendly dog well kept well fed and well protected indeed speak to anyone and the thought of eating dog brings horror and condemnation; after all how can you contemplate such a thing?
Their is an irrational conclusion one animal is protected and a whole industry in their care and protection exists whilst on the other their is some care and protection up till the slaughter house.
It was an interesting turn in the conversation as we spoke about how much benefit can be gained from cow protection even our energy needs can be met along with milk products surly this is reason enough to keep the cows nicely?
We further discussed the bull she noted how in her lifetime she had never actually seen a bull indeed it reminded me how one mataji was shocked how large and powerful they are but in modern farming the bull has no real value.
Their is a disconnect between care and caring we speak and care of animal welfare whilst encouraging and propagating an industry based ultimately on murder, have industry geared to animal welfare even into old age keeping parks and open spaces for walking and runs but the unable to apply the same rational for other animals as we have simply designated them as food.
In the end after our long conversation watching the cows the lady concluded her own assessment was irrational especially given she cares for and protects her dog.
It did however remind me how we can justify almost anything and feel comfortable in the duality of our conclusions.
12:
na tv evāhaḿ jātu nāsaḿ, na tvaḿ neme janādhipāḥ
na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ, sarve vayam ataḥ param
But there certainly was never a time that I did not exist
nor you
nor all these people
Nor will there ever be.
for any of us,
now and forever.
[but everyone is always dying…]
13:
dehino ‘smin yathā dehe, kaumāraḿ yauvanaḿ jarā
tathā dehāntara-prāptir, dhīras tatra na muhyati
The person in this body
Passes childhood,
Youth,
And old age
In the same way, they attain a new situation
when the body reaches its end.
This does not confuse the wise.
[bodies are always dying, but the beings within the bodes never die.]
20:
na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
nāyaḿ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yaḿ purāṇo
na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
Never born, and never dying
It did not come to be,
Did not come to be
And will not come to be.
It always is,
Unborn, undecaying,
and ancient.
It does not die when its body dies.
———
47:
karmaṇy evādhikāras te, mā phaleṣu kadācana
mā karma-phala-hetur bhūr, mā te sańgo ‘stv akarmaṇi
You are capable of making efforts,
but never capable of creating results
So don’t try to create results by your efforts
and don’t give up those efforts either.
[Then how should efforts be done?…]
48:
yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi, sańgaḿ tyaktvā dhanañjaya
siddhy-asiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā, samatvaḿ yoga ucyate
Make your efforts in a spiritual state of mind,
without being attached to them.
Success or failure will be the same
this equanimity is called “yoga.”
———
55:
prajahāti yadā kāmān, sarvān pārtha mano-gatān
ātmany evātmanā tuṣṭaḥ, sthita-prajñas tadocyate
When you give up all the desires your mind dreams up
And find true satisfaction by yourself, in yourself,
Then your wisdom is strong.
56:
viṣayā vinivartante, nirāhārasya dehinaḥ
rasa-varjaḿ raso ‘py asya, paraḿ dṛṣṭvā nivartate
You can forcefully try to stop yourself from enjoying sense objects
But you will not be able to give up your taste for them
Until you have experienced something better.
- Vraja Kishor
12:
na tv evāhaḿ jātu nāsaḿ, na tvaḿ neme janādhipāḥ
na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ, sarve vayam ataḥ param
But there certainly was never a time that I did not exist
nor you
nor all these people
Nor will there ever be.
for any of us,
now and forever.
[but everyone is always dying…]
13:
dehino ‘smin yathā dehe, kaumāraḿ yauvanaḿ jarā
tathā dehāntara-prāptir, dhīras tatra na muhyati
The person in this body
Passes childhood,
Youth,
And old age
In the same way, they attain a new situation
when the body reaches its end.
This does not confuse the wise.
[bodies are always dying, but the beings within the bodes never die.]
20:
na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
nāyaḿ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yaḿ purāṇo
na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
Never born, and never dying
It did not come to be,
Did not come to be
And will not come to be.
It always is,
Unborn, undecaying,
and ancient.
It does not die when its body dies.
———
47:
karmaṇy evādhikāras te, mā phaleṣu kadācana
mā karma-phala-hetur bhūr, mā te sańgo ‘stv akarmaṇi
You are capable of making efforts,
but never capable of creating results
So don’t try to create results by your efforts
and don’t give up those efforts either.
[Then how should efforts be done?…]
48:
yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi, sańgaḿ tyaktvā dhanañjaya
siddhy-asiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā, samatvaḿ yoga ucyate
Make your efforts in a spiritual state of mind,
without being attached to them.
Success or failure will be the same
this equanimity is called “yoga.”
———
55:
prajahāti yadā kāmān, sarvān pārtha mano-gatān
ātmany evātmanā tuṣṭaḥ, sthita-prajñas tadocyate
When you give up all the desires your mind dreams up
And find true satisfaction by yourself, in yourself,
Then your wisdom is strong.
56:
viṣayā vinivartante, nirāhārasya dehinaḥ
rasa-varjaḿ raso ‘py asya, paraḿ dṛṣṭvā nivartate
You can forcefully try to stop yourself from enjoying sense objects
But you will not be able to give up your taste for them
Until you have experienced something better.
- Vraja Kishor
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Agnidev Prabhu at Kirtan Mela Mayapur 2014 Day 2
Ambika Dasi shared Do women have the same varna as their husbands on Google+ in response to this question:
Do women have the same varna as their husbands?
Woman reporter: Where do women fit into these four classes?<br /><br
/>Prabhupada: That I already explained. Women's position is subordinate to
man. So if the man is first-class, the woman is first-class. If the man is
second-class, the woman is second-class. If the man is third-class, the
woman is third-class. In this... Because woman is meant for assisting man, so
the woman becomes suitable according to the man, her husband. (July 9, '75
SP TV Interview)
Quotes that women's varna is determined before marriage:
"According to the Vedic system, the parents would consider the horoscopes of the boy and girl who were to be married. If according to astrological calculations the boy and girl were compatible in every respect, the match was called yotaka and the marriage would be accepted. Even fifty years ago, this system was current in Hindu society. Regardless of the affluence of the boy or the personal beauty of the girl, without this astrological compatibility the marriage would not take place. A person is born in one of three categories, known as deva-gana, manusya-gana and raksasa-gana. In different parts of the universe there are demigods and demons, and in human society also some people resemble demigods whereas others resemble demons. If according to astrological calculations there was conflict between a godly and a demoniac nature, the marriage would not take place. Similarly, there were calculations of pratiloma and anuloma. The central idea is that if the boy and girl were on an equal level the marriage would be happy, whereas inequality would lead to unhappiness. Because care is no longer taken in marriage, we now find many divorces."
The many services to do make us stressed and I feel that I have simply replaced anxieties for material activities with anxieties for devotional activities.
I really want to love this show, because (a) I love science and space, and (b) I love Carl Sagan and the original Cosmos. But, by Episode 3 I’m starting to feel like its not going to be easy to love this new Cosmos.
It’s not because Episode 3 was a little boring (history easily gets boring). And its not because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is less of an orator or narrator than Sagan (he’s not, in fact, maybe he’s even better). It’s because the motive of the show is becoming a bit disagreeable.
With Carl Sagan, the tangible motive was that he had passion to show the world how wonderful and amazing the universe was, and how excellent modern science was in helping us comprehend and appreciate the Cosmos. I like that. That’s uplifting and, more importantly, honest. With Neil DeGrasse Tyson, though, it feels a lot more like the motive and passion to show the world how stupid and backwards everyone and everything is – except whatever it is that he and his contemporaries currently recognize as “science.” I don’t like that, it’s negative, and its dishonest.
And there is something wrong with the science too… its not very “sciencey,” at all. Sagan’s Cosmos felt a lot more like the real thing. Sagan had some humility, a lot more than Tyson. Humility is not just a pleasant character trait, it’s crucial to science… because knowledge cannot be had without humility. Without humility we only perceive what we want to perceive – and without accurate perception, there is no hope for an empirical method.
What could be more unscientific than claiming to know everything better than anyone else? That attitude completely biases perception and thus destroys the foundation of the empiric method itself.
Degrasse Tyson paints everything except the main hero (his version of science) as “superstition.” I’m tired of that mindset, a cult-mentality fanaticism that has saturated human history for as long as there has been human history. Listening to Neil, I get the feeling that every other culture, every other philosophy, every other “science” was really just pseudo-science and superstition – but his stuff is real. What we have today is real, but what they had yesterday was a joke.
Except that today becomes yesterday in a few hours, doesn’t it?
Every other culture and science in history had a plethora of extremely convincing evidence and proof to substantiate their world view. This is because reality is subjective. We do not perceive reality, we perceive our own version of reality – and our own version of reality almost always makes perfect sense, to us. Reality has not suddenly ceased to be relative just because we can use computer graphics to illustrate our points these days.
If Neil DeGrasse Tyson represents the newest generation of science, then the newest generation of science sucks – I’m sorry to say. Give me a previous generation, please. I’ll take the reruns of Carl Sagan and Albert Einstien over the new-school vendettas of Tysons and Hawkings.
- Vraja Kishor
I really want to love this show, because (a) I love science and space, and (b) I love Carl Sagan and the original Cosmos. But, by Episode 3 I’m starting to feel like its not going to be easy to love this new Cosmos.
It’s not because Episode 3 was a little boring (history easily gets boring). And its not because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is less of an orator or narrator than Sagan (he’s not, in fact, maybe he’s even better). It’s because the motive of the show is becoming a bit disagreeable.
With Carl Sagan, the tangible motive was that he had passion to show the world how wonderful and amazing the universe was, and how excellent modern science was in helping us comprehend and appreciate the Cosmos. I like that. That’s uplifting and, more importantly, honest. With Neil DeGrasse Tyson, though, it feels a lot more like the motive and passion to show the world how stupid and backwards everyone and everything is – except whatever it is that he and his contemporaries currently recognize as “science.” I don’t like that, it’s negative, and its dishonest.
And there is something wrong with the science too… its not very “sciencey,” at all. Sagan’s Cosmos felt a lot more like the real thing. Sagan had some humility, a lot more than Tyson. Humility is not just a pleasant character trait, it’s crucial to science… because knowledge cannot be had without humility. Without humility we only perceive what we want to perceive – and without accurate perception, there is no hope for an empirical method.
What could be more unscientific than claiming to know everything better than anyone else? That attitude completely biases perception and thus destroys the foundation of the empiric method itself.
Degrasse Tyson paints everything except the main hero (his version of science) as “superstition.” I’m tired of that mindset, a cult-mentality fanaticism that has saturated human history for as long as there has been human history. Listening to Neil, I get the feeling that every other culture, every other philosophy, every other “science” was really just pseudo-science and superstition – but his stuff is real. What we have today is real, but what they had yesterday was a joke.
Except that today becomes yesterday in a few hours, doesn’t it?
Every other culture and science in history had a plethora of extremely convincing evidence and proof to substantiate their world view. This is because reality is subjective. We do not perceive reality, we perceive our own version of reality – and our own version of reality almost always makes perfect sense, to us. Reality has not suddenly ceased to be relative just because we can use computer graphics to illustrate our points these days.
If Neil DeGrasse Tyson represents the newest generation of science, then the newest generation of science sucks – I’m sorry to say. Give me a previous generation, please. I’ll take the reruns of Carl Sagan and Albert Einstien over the new-school vendettas of Tysons and Hawkings.
- Vraja Kishor
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(Kadamba Kanana Swami, 18 March 2014, Melbourne, Australia, Srimad Bhagavatam 2.7.50)
When we speak about the eternal, in the opening verse of the Srimad Bhagavatam, we find the reference to the paraṁ satyaṁ, the Supreme Absolute Truth which is eternal but it is not clear what that Supreme Absolute Truth really is.
So Srila Prabhupada explains in the introduction of the Srimad Bhagavatam that the purpose of the Bhagavatam is to explain that the paraṁ satyaṁ is Parameśvara. Therefore, the purpose of the Bhagavatam is to describe the Parameśvara which means the Supreme Controller. Krsna is the supreme controller – a personality. The essence is to understand that there is a personality behind everything. We are seeing that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very personally involved with everything. He expands himself and in a personal way, he is involved with the material energy.
We are never looking at the impersonal universe or an impersonal eternal manifestation. The origin of everything is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and that is the essence of the Srimad Bhagavatam, the purpose of the Srimad Bhagavatam!
I would rather reside in Vrinda?vana, even as an insect, than reside in any other place as a liberated soul with a blissful spiritual body. I would rather reside here in Vrinda?vana, even as a poverty-stricken beggar, than reside in any other place as a person possessing wonderful, endless wealth. I would rather reside here in Vrinda?vana, even as a person completely devoid of the slightest trace of devotion to Lord Hari, than reside in any other place as a person overwhelmed with the desire to attain the happiness of serving the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, the lover of the gopies.
[Source : Nectarean Glories of Sri Vrindavana-dhama by Srila Prabodhananda Sarasvati Thakura, Sataka 2, Text 1, Translation.]
Continuing on the theme of returning to my roots of door to door ministery and knowing that for some any thought outside of a percieved norm is seen as anti-iskcon I’m going to add fuel to their fire.
Listening in and also noteing questions during classes on book distribution their is a running theme follow up, so many books but when it comes to what happens after that it’s more hit or miss.
During one of my discussions about my time as a Jehovah’s Witness on the door to door ministery I make one notation emphasis, for iskcon it’s book scores and laxmi points all well and good. As a JW I had to put in my book score but also one other piece of information how many home bible studies an follow up calls, laxmi points never is asked.
Indeed a whole evening class is dedicated to developing and studying for the door to door ministery, covering public speaking and how to present the books. The main emphasis always remained follow up and gaining and holding a home bible study.
A philisophical shift which can be achieved from door to door ministery service making follow up easier as you know were the person lives, something that is more difficult to do when in book distribution on streets.
I’m encouraged that some are moving to this more personal form of book distribution but in the back of my mind alarm bells ring, mindset is still book score laxmi focused and so a great opportunity for me is lost, so my mind is focused on this: door to door ministery with the sole aim to gain a home Gita study.
But then what?
phase two
Krishna West, yep I’ve just said them impersonal non-iskcon words krishna west
I’m again basing it on over 20 years house to house ministery work as a JW and here is the rational.
Home bible study develops the person makes steady progress but not committed enough to go to the Kingdom Hall but their is a need to increase the persons exposure and association with others within the movement.
Bible study groups for an hour one evening a week same format as the home bible study so it’s a slow progress with a long term aim, getting the individual more involved whilst keeping a distance, as friendship and trust grows eventually the person makes the leap to the kingdom hall and eventually onto book distribution.
My aim is simple from a home bible study to a small sanga group with the aim of full integration to a temple enviroment.
In this results driven society in general I’m sure many will want a fully fledged congregation by the end of the year and for me tha would be awesome but realistically it will take lots of time and hours.
After all at one stage I held 15 home bible studies of which only 2 became baptised so is that succesful or not?
But for me I want to see a change of emphasis from books and laxmi points to follow up.
But as always I end with this queston, what’s your thoughts?
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