A Sincere Devotee Has Full Faith
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From Illuminations On Nama Aparadha
by Mahanidhi Swami
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“Somehow or other we have been called here to Vrindavan. And we can see that something wonderful is behind this thin curtain. Now, the question, of course, is how to remove the curtain. And the answer is that we don’t have the capacity to remove the curtain. But if we can chant Krishna’s names in such a way that we are seriously calling, expressing a serious desire to see and serve behind the curtain, or if we can just chant attentively, trying to develop a mood of ‘Please accept me. Please allow me to serve you. Please allow me to taste the sweetness that is fully there in this dhama‘ — because the spiritual realm is so apparent here, if we chant with that kind of focus, then clearly the Divine Couple and all Their associates who are there behind this thin veil can hear us.” —Bhurijana dasa
Kirtan by Giriraj Swami
Kirtan by Bhurijana dasa
Talk by Sacinandana Swami
Kirtan by Sacinandana Swami
Conclusion by Sacinandana Swami
(Kadamba Kanana Swami, September 2013, Cape Town, South Africa, BYS Lecture)
I’m thinking about Carl Jung who in an interview was asked, “Mr Jung, would you say that you believe in God?”
That’s a basic question when you interview Carl Jung because everybody knows that Jung was very religious.
But Jung said, “No, I don’t believe in God.”
The interviewer was shocked. Shocked! How could he say this? Jung? What happened? Did he lose his faith?
Then Jung said, “No, I don’t believe in God. I know that God exists!”
Now we’ve come to the fourth level. On the fourth level, we go beyond belief – we go to the level of experience. Here we break through into a mystical realm, a realm where there is an experience of a higher reality, where there is an experience of divinity that goes beyond theory.
I’ll quickly do a resume in numbers. In level one we are concerned with basic survival; in level two, with relationships; in level three, with enquiry into the purpose of life; and level four is actually a knowing of the mystical reality and having an experience of divinity. In level five, we have a full experience of living in that reality. In level five, one lives in one’s spiritual identity, and one is in this world as a liberated soul. Externally one may be here, but internally, one is in the eternal spiritual reality. So these are the levels of consciousness that are depicted in the vedic literature.
Out of all the nine different methods, the first one, namely hearing, is the most important function in the process of bhakti-yoga. Without hearing sufficiently and properly, no one can make any progress by any of the methods of practice.
Two devotees who used to come online seem to have disappeared from Mayapur TV! Maybe they are getting more live association… anyone seen them? Anyway, here are their stories, which they sent in many moons ago.
I first met devotees nearly seven years ago* in Reading, UK. I remember that I’d seen devotees before on trips to London. They struck me as strange, with their dancing and hippy- looking clothing, so when I saw them in Reading I made a concerted effort to walk around them and gave them sideways looks from afar.
Then one day I was stopped by a devotee. At the time I was a practising Jew. I’d converted a few years before and had a solid plan to return to Israel where I’d spent time and become an Orthodox Jew, living a strict religious life in a Jerusalem suburb somewhere.
So I stopped, and smiled warily, ready for the conversion type tactics I’d encountered with Christian missionaries, ready for an argument and to defend my choice of faith. What I got instead was a smile, and a pleasant conversation about what I believed in and where I was from. I made it clear Krishna wasn’t for me and instead of hell fire and damnation I got another smile and a wish for a nice day. I walked away surprised.
After that I bumped into devotees on a few other occasions. Once or twice I took a book, remembering that first devotee, flicked through it and read the odd page. I got something about a blue God, who liked cows and pretty girls. It confirmed my feeling that those Hare Krishna people were strange, so I put the books in a corner and forgot about them.
Fast forward a few years and I’d given up my ideas of Orthodox Judaism: too many rules and not enough spirituality – I couldn’t hack it. I still went to Synagogue and taught Hebrew, but I felt myself slowly drifting away. I started re-exploring the ”alternative” beliefs of my teen years. I went to Buddhist meditation classes, flirted with Wicca, and tried to be a good Jew in between, and wrestled furiously with myself over what I thought I should be believing.
Somewhere along the way I became interested in Hinduism. It seemed to fit in well with my ideas on God so I read and checked out some websites. The more I read, the more I liked, so one day I decided to check out a temple. By Krishna’s merciful arrangement the nearest and most accessible temple to me was Radha London Isvara in Soho, London.
I’d checked out the website, and knew it belonged to Hare Krishnas. So I went, remembering the encounters of my past, determined to satisfy my interest and nothing more. Those weird Hare Krishnas were NOT having me!
What I found in the temple was not a cult or a bunch of white hippies trying to be Indians as I had expected, but a place full of light and music, colour and welcoming smiles. Devotees were friendly and helpful; no conversion tactics, just openness and friendly faces that patiently answered my questions, no matter how challenging they were. But more than that, I felt like I had come home. The sights and sounds were strange, but familiar all at the same time. All my concerns melted away: it felt like a place I could stay forever.
The story really starts there. I left that day in a bubble of happiness. I felt like I’d been purified. I swapped my Buddhist mantras for the Maha Mantra and chanted Hare Krishna all the way home, barely able to stop smiling. Before I went to Londonisvara I’d been a major meat eater, but from that day I couldn’t eat meat anymore; I lost my taste for it completely.
When I got home the first thing I did was dig out the forgotten books I’d taken all those years ago. Suddenly they went from being reluctantly taken items to things precious beyond words. I read them, the words and images no longer strange, but life-giving, like water in a desert.
My journey to becoming a devotee hasn’t been without its slip-ups, and I’ve lost count of the times I’ve not chanted for days but I’ve remained vegetarian since that first day and I know I’ll be a devotee for life.
Krishna Consciousness has changed me completely and I feel more peaceful and happy than I ever thought possible. I have real friends, and a philosophy that I don’t have to force myself to believe in. HDG Prabhupad once said everything to do with Krishna tastes sweet, and I can honestly say it’s true.
I don’t remember the names of those devotees who first smiled and talked so nicely with me, or who gave me a book for just a few pennies, but every time I take out my japa bag, or walk into Londonisvara, I think of them, because without them I would not be a devotee today.
*Will be longer now: not sure how long I’ve had the story! Ed.
When I was 19, in 1994, I was at art college in Carlisle. I had an interview for university in London but needed to stay somewhere overnight as it was too far for a day trip. My Dad told me he had a colleague whose daughter was a student in London, and somehow persuaded him to ask his daughter if I could stay a night at her home. I went for my interview and met Sam at Euston Station. When we met it was love at first sight and we were married seven days later. After the wedding we went to her flat and she put on a record she was given when she was a small child by a devotee in Germany; her Mum thought it was a Beatles record I believe. It was the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra and we sang it for the rest of the day, not knowing what it was about.
A few weeks later, I was busking with my saxophone in Covent Garden, London and two devotees stopped and talked to me. I was immediately attracted to them; it was as if they were from another universe! They gave me a leaflet/ booklet about their philosophy; I did not read it, but enjoyed looking at the pictures.
Feeling it was something special, I kept the booklet and, perhaps 6 or 7 years later, my wife and I finally read it. We then went straight to London and visited the Soho Street temple where we saw the Deities, met devotees and bought lots of books about KC from the gift shop. Several weeks later we visited Bhaktivedanta Manor and discovered that a new programme was starting in Ipswich; as this was near our home at the time, we attended, and had the great pleasure of meeting more wonderful devotees including Kripamoya das.
Sorry the pic is so small. Ed.
From Karuna Sindhu P
From Karuna Sindhu P
From Karuna Sindhu P
The scriptures themselves say that the Lord's pastimes are unlimited, whereas we also say that we can't accept every story about the Lord as authentic. So what is the basis for deciding the authenticity?
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Dear Maharajas/Prabhus,
PAMHO AGTSP,
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We distribute prasad(santified food) to 1,000 people daily, hold festivals,including 26 Rathayatras per year,etc.
We have very little funds available at this moment, our old van is on it’s last legs, a very large number of Prabhupada disciples have signed a letter requesting help on my behalf (thanks to all of you).
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From Karuna Sindhu P
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Rising early and cold showers.
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The TOVP has already received much acclaim and recognition for its grandeur and size. However, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Our staff photographer took a trip to Navadwip and took photos showcasing the view of the temple from across the Ganga. Captured from a distance, these pictures underscore how formidably the super structure stands against the landscape.
Also taken were recent shots of the TOVP nursery. Located at the local Jagannath Mandir, the nursery boasts over 2000 trees. Additional specimens are expected. The trees will be attended and grown until landscaping begins. At this time, the trees will have blossomed and be ready for transplanting.
Some surprise photos submitted to the TOVP office show how the influence of the temple’s design has extended into the native culture. The celebrations for the past Durga Puja had sites marked with elements taken from released drawings.
Whether standing tall and firm in the Mayapur countryside, as a template for mandals or in the foresight to plan luscious gardens, the impact of the TOVP weighs deep. Its prestige marks the power all devotees have to effect change in the name of Mahaprabhu’s movement.
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God is great, and He cannot be simply an order supplier of the individual selves; therefore the Superself cannot be a full representation of the Supreme Self, Puruñottama, the Absolute Personality of Godhead.
- Srimad Bhagavatam 2.2.35 purport
(Kadamba Kanana Swami, 21 December 2011, Cape Town, South Africa, Srimad Bhagavatam 7.14.2)
The internal energy is the activity or the energy that pleases Krsna. It is the pleasure potency that has the power to please Krsna. Nothing else can please Krsna. In the interaction with devotees, there is that energy that can please Krsna, if the interaction between the devotees is pure. But if it is based on false ego, it may not always please Krsna. In the exchange with devotees, there are principles that are pleasing to Krsna because devotees are after all appreciating devotion to Krsna, in each other. Isn’t that what we appreciate a devotee for! You know, when we see a devotee who makes a sacrifice in devotional service, we appreciate it.
Last year, I went to this BBT conference and there was this little mataji from Kenya who impressed everyone. She is like, just a tiny Indian mataji, as Indian matajis come!. And she was just standing there in the streets of Nairobi, right there, downtown, in the heart of the African city and all day long distributing books to all these kinds of people.
It’s not soft! Everyone knows that is like; that is serious street life but she is out there and she is doing it. She’s just bubbling with enthusiasm and with determination. She sort of says, “Yes, it’s okay. I have my spot and I stand close to some security guard and he is my friend. I keep my extra books there and at the same time, he keeps an eye on me also.” You know, in this case, she has got it all like under control. She just looks very innocent but totally fixed and determined and like “Bang!” and everyone walks away with a book. She impressed everyone with her dedication.
From Sudheer P
From Abhishek P
This article is a compilation of several conversations between Hindu intellectuals (HI) and ISKCON scholars (IS) on various occasions. To cover the various issues in a systematic way, all these conversations are presented here as one, continuous conversation between two individuals.
HI: An issue of great concern, even alarm, is the rampant conversion done by Christian missionaries.
IS: Let’s understand this issue of conversion from a broader philosophical perspective. The goal of all religions – including Christianity – is to help people develop love of God, to convert people from being materialists to becoming spiritualists.
But different people approach God for different motives, which the Vaishnava saint-scholar Bhaktivinoda Thakura has categorized into four major levels: fear, desire, duty and love.
Conversions are fruitful only if they raise a person’s level of approaching God by offering deep spiritual understanding or experience. Modern Christianity operates largely on the platforms of fear and desire – despite the fact that Jesus explicitly emphasized the commandment to love God as the supreme commandment. It appears to many observers that the conversions done by Christian missionaries today are primarily on the same two levels – fear of eternal damnation and desire for material gain. More often than not, all that happens by such materially-motivated conversions is that the converts change from being Hindu materialists to becoming Christian materialists.
HI: But this conversion often makes a huge difference to the convert’s attitude toward his original culture. Whereas he was earlier appreciative of – or at least neutral to –Indian culture, he now becomes hostile to it. And often this hostility is fostered by some Christian missionaries who decry Indic rituals and traditions as demoniac. Sometimes the convert has to “prove” his conversion by publicly disowning his past forms of worship, by breaking or burning the pictures of Hindu gods or even spitting or stamping on them.
IS: This is very unfortunate and distressing to hear about...To place this in proper perspective, let’s discuss the three categories into which modern thinkers have classified the various religious paths: exclusivist, pluralist and inclusivist.
Followers of the exclusivist path claim that their way is the only exclusive way to God. They further claim that all those who don’t accept their path are destined to go to hell – forever. So they become intolerant to all other paths and believe that they are “saving” people by converting them to their path, no matter what the means. Religious exclusivity sometimes degenerates into fundamentalist violence. This further puts off intelligent people, who are already skeptical of the claim to exclusivity. After all, if God is unlimited, why should one particular religion have monopoly on the path to God?
HI (nodding): Most Christian missionaries are highly exclusivist. Hindu culture, on the other hand, has historically been more broad-minded.
IS: Yes. The second category is pluralism. Pluralism is the notion that there are many paths to God. Nowadays, this notion is sometimes expanded to say that there are as many paths to God as there are people. While this notion seems to promote religious tolerance, it often breeds spiritual impotence.
HI (startled): Impotence?
IS: A religious system can be compared to a university meant to train students in knowledge and love of God. The claim to exclusivism is like the claim of a medical student that his college is the only college that can produce doctors. This is obviously a fanatical and fallacious claim. The claim to pluralism, on the other hand, is like the claim that any building anywhere can produce doctors. In the name of pluralism, Hinduism today has become such a hodgepodge that most Hindus today have very little idea of what paths and goals their scriptures teach. Consequently, when confronted with Christian missionary criticism of Hinduism, many Hindus are unable to defend their beliefs and practices.
HI (thoughtfully): I had never thought of the effects of pluralism in that way … I can’t say that I agree entirely with what you say; I will have to think about it…But what was the third category you mentioned?
IS: Inclusivism. This teaches that there are not many paths, but basically one path with many levels on it. The path to become a doctor is essentially one: to study the medical subjects and learn the relevant skills. There may be different universities to teach medicine and they may teach in slightly different ways, but that doesn’t mean we unthinkingly accept every building everywhere as a medical college. Unfortunately, this – an uncritical acceptance of all paths – is what has happened in India. Consequently, although religion is a big part of life in India, it has largely become reduced to a social and cultural affair that provides a break from the daily routine and has become devoid of spiritual potency.
HI: What exactly do you mean by spiritual potency?
IS: Spiritual potency of religion means it ability to deliver non-material or spiritual happiness. The Srimad Bhagavatam declares bhakti pareshanubhava viraktir anyatra ca (11.2.42) “Bhakti delivers experience of the transcendental Supreme Lord, an experience which is so satisfying, so enriching that it makes one detached from all other experiences.” The ultimate purpose of all religion is to enable people to experience the divine happiness of loving God and thus become detached from selfish, materialistic pleasures. The Vedic scriptures give clear, specific and powerful practices to help us experience this spiritual happiness. But when all paths are considered equal without evaluating their effects, then the potent Vedic path gets obscured in a medley of diluted and perverted paths. Consequently, many Indians, who follow one of these pseudo-religious paths, experience hardly any deep, spiritual happiness. So, when they are tempted to follow another path that offers tangible material benefits, they see no reason to desist.
HI: Interesting. In connection with our discussion on three categories of paths, I want to point out a peculiar feature of Indian “secularism”. Despite the overtly exclusivist claims of Christian missionaries, the Indian government and media pamper them in the name of secularism. Secularism should basically imply governmental impartiality toward all religions. In countries like USA, secularism means that minority-religions get the freedom to practice their beliefs and they democratically get a voice in the polity according to their sizes. And the majority-religion in USA – protestant Christianity – gets a respectable place and influence according to its electoral strength. But in India, due to vote bank politics, secularism is abused to provide special facilitation for minority-religions and impose special restriction on the majority religion. For example, today, in India, legally it is far easier to start a Christian church or a Christian missionary school then it is to start a Hindu temple or a Hindu missionary school. Or, here’s an even more egregious example: when Muslims want to go for Haj, the government makes special arrangements and even subsidizes their pilgrimage fare. But when Hindus want to go on pilgrimage to Badrinath, the government offers no such facility.
What makes the whole issue worse is the prejudiced media portrayal by the western media and the westernized Indian media. Historically, not many countries have been as hospitable to other cultures as India, thanks to the Hindu culture of welcoming and respecting guests as representatives of God. For example,
So, minorities have always been given protection and facility to live in India, thanks to the Hindu ethos of tolerance. But when Hindus try to protect their legitimate interests from the extreme and fundamentalist activities of some Christian missionaries, the media immediately brands the tolerant Hindus as intolerant and the fundamentalist minorities as helpless victims. It is sad that these situations have led to violent conflicts; violence in the name of religion is unfortunate and regrettable. But the sponsoring of culturally-destructive conversion is a form of extremism that inflames violence on both sides. It is high time that the media set the record straight by reporting both sides of the story fairly.
IS: This governmental and media antipathy is aided by the intellectual lethargy of Indians in understanding their own national legacy. Indians don’t protest against attacks on their culture because they don’t realize the value of what they are losing. In academic studies of religion, there is the concept of religious capital, which refers to the degree of mastery of and attachment to a particular religious culture. A businessman may readily give up his present business if he has not invested much capital in it, if he is not getting much returns out of it and if a new business offers better prospects. Similarly, a person will change his religion – his religious business – if he has not invested much thoughts and emotions into it (his capital), if he is not getting an understanding of life or a sense of peace, joy and belonging by it (his returns) and if he gets material benefits by changing to another religion (his better prospects). So it is important for Indian spiritual leaders to create religious capital among Indians by giving them spiritual knowledge and experience. Otherwise, most Indians will not oppose conversion or, worse still, may even get converted themselves for better material prospects.
HI: Well, sometimes the idea of better prospects is just a sham. Some missionaries claim to be faith-healers and proclaim that they can cure all those who convert. Many sick Hindu peasants, being unable to afford medical expenses, get lured, but the magic healing never happens. Their suffering only gets compounded: due to the delay in taking medical treatment, they disease worsens, thus necessitating further expenditure. And they simultaneously undergo wrenching mental trauma and social alienation due to the whole conversion melodrama. Many such incidents are described the documentary Bad Manna by the Scandinavian Pia Skov, who, incidentally, is herself a Christian disillusioned with the missionary malpractices.
IS: Such practices are certainly devious – and they underscore what I was saying earlier: the urgent necessity for philosophical education among Indians. You see, many people have a primitive, tribal “we-they” mindset. They see existence as a perpetual battle between “we” versus “they”, where “they” refers to their rivals or enemies. When religious zeal becomes superimposed on this tribal mentality, then the battle takes the form of “the good we” versus “the evil they”, where “they” includes all those who don’t follow “our true religion”. Once religious conversion gets rationalized as a battle against evil, or perhaps a “saving” from the evil, then the missionaries become blinded to their own evil deeds, for they feel their “noble” ends justify any means – no matter how evil.
Sometimes, Hindus may also succumb to the same “we-they” mindset in reverse, where all Christians become “the evil they”. To save us from this tribal mindset, the Vedic scriptures teach a profound and practical philosophy that engenders universal consciousness. They state all living beings are the beloved children of one God and so, spiritually, we are all one family, as celebrated in the famous Vedic aphorism vasudhaiva kutumbakam. The Vedic texts proclaim that all people are intrinsically, spiritually good. If they are presently acting in evil ways, that is due to the illusion that covers their spiritual goodness. The Vedic texts further supply us rational, objective parameters to assess the extent of the illusion that covers a person. Equipped with these parameters, we can objectively categorize people without falling prey to the “we-they” mindset.
HI (thoughtfully): This “we-they” mentality you are talking about is a deep point… What are the rational parameters by which people are categorized?
IS: The Bhagavad-gita analyzes all material existence in terms of the three modes of material nature: mode of goodness (sattva-guna), mode of passion (rajo-guna) and mode of ignorance (tamo-guna). The modes are subtle, psychic forces that shape the interaction between consciousness and matter. Those affected by the mode of goodness are characterized by knowledge, thoughtfulness and satisfaction; those affected by the mode of passion, by cravings for pleasure, power and prestige; and those affected by the mode of ignorance, by laziness, intoxication and violence. Higher than all these three modes is transcendence, where people can see, with enlightened vision, their loving relationship with all living beings. The more people are infected by passion and ignorance, the more they act in evil ways that harm themselves and others. The more they are permeated by goodness and transcendence, the more they act in good ways that uplift themselves and others.
Note how the Vedic classification is not based on any religious labels, but is based on objective criterion and has universal application. Now, Christians, like all other human beings, are situated across the spectrum of these three modes; some in goodness, some in passion and some in ignorance. According to this analysis, the devious conversion tactics are used by Christians in the lower modes of passion and ignorance. And just as we find these devious tactics distasteful, so do Christians in the mode of goodness. That’s why even some Christians have expressed concern over the means used to convert people.
HI (catching on): I had heard of the modes earlier, but had never thought that they could be applied to understand this situation in this way. Not only are such conversions done by those in the lower modes, but they are also targeted at those in the modes of passion and ignorance, who don’t care to discern spiritual truth on one hand and who want quick material gains on the other.
IS (nodding): Yes. But such conversions don’t do anything to change the modes of a person. Various religions are essentially like different universities meant to change people’s qualities from evil to good. Just as an engineering student does not become an engineer merely by entering into a college, no person becomes “saved” just by stamping himself as belonging to a particular religion. He will be saved only when he diligently practices the spiritual disciplines taught by his religion and changes his qualities and desires. Unfortunately, not understanding or practicing the essence of their own religion, superficial religionists imagine that they are “saving” others from evil by converting them, while they are yet to save themselves from the evil qualities that have gripped them.
HI (wryly): I think we have to pray: may God save India from these “saviors”!
IS: But God has given us the means to save ourselves and everyone else – Indians and non-Indians alike.
HI: What is that means?
IS: The spiritual philosophy given in the Vedic scriptures is so comprehensive, coherent and cogent that it can withstand and counter all possible criticisms and dialectically establish itself as offering the best understanding of life and its purpose. And the Vedic spiritual practices like chanting of the holy names can easily and effectively give people a taste of transcendence by which they will no longer be attracted by cheap material allurements. We need to systematically and vigorously share the Vedic principles and practices with as many people as possible. In fact, Srila Prabhupada did exactly that – and was able to attract thousands of people from all over the world to follow Vedic culture.
HI: Yes, I have seen that ISKCON has a lot of foreign devotees. It’s almost like ISKCON is doing a reverse-conversion by getting Western people from Christian and other backgrounds to adopt Indian culture.
IS: Yes, but this conversion is a conversion that goes far beyond the change of religious denomination, cultural lifestyle or social affiliation. It is a fundamental change of consciousness, a change of core desires and ambitions from material to spiritual, a change from being a selfish exploiter to becoming a selfless servant of God and all His children. And that is the change that all religions – including Christianity – are ultimately meant to bring. Indeed, this is the only change that can bring real, lasting happiness, individually and collectively. People are being increasingly plundered of this wealth of inner happiness, by the common enemy of all religions: atheistic materialism. That’s why, in the 1950s Srila Prabhupada make a fervent appeal for united action to the leaders of the world’s religions: ‘Hindus, Muslims, Christians, and the members of the other sects that have convincing faith in the authority of God must not sit idly now and silently watch the rapid growth of a Godless civilization. There is the supreme will of God, and no nation or society can live in peace and prosperity without acceptance of this vital truth.’
Instead of worrying about people converting from one form of materialism to another, let’s look inward to understand and practice the deep spiritual essence of our religious tradition and then look outward to share that essence with others. Then and then alone will our efforts make a real difference in the world.