Scientism fosters not respect for science, but disrespect for humanity
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Scientism is the belief system that science alone is the source of all knowledge. If anyone points out the limitations of science, devotees of scientism misrepresent such criticism of scientism as criticism of science, and deride the critic as an “anti-scientific obscurantist.”

The claims of scientism notwithstanding, science cannot encompass the subjective relishable aspects of many cherished human fields such as poetry and music. Science can count the length of the words or the frequencies of the letters occurring in a poem and accordingly give us some pointers towards the quality of the poetry, but even the most scientifically advanced data processing devise can’t relish a masterly poem or feel bored with a mediocre piece. The same applies to music. Science can measure the decibel levels of the sounds and the rate of their modulations in a musical composition, but we need to use, not science, but our trans-scientific capacity for sentience to discern whether the piece is shoddy or superb.

Some extremist reductionists try to reduce all aesthetic phenomena down to neurochemical firings and ultimately the random oscillations of unconscious fundamental particles. But Nobel Laureate physicist Erwin Schrodinger in his book Nature and the Greeks encourages us to treat such explanations with the strong skepticism that they deserve: “I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is deficient. It gives a lot of factual information, puts all our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.”

Some scientistic extremists may argue: “Fields such as poetry and music are inconsequential; they don’t lead to any human progress – as does science. In things that really matter, science alone can provide knowledge.”

Given that poetry and music have enriched the human heart for millennia, dismissing them as inconsequential amounts to disrespect of humanity.

Anyway, let’s focus on the area that even scientism deems important: science. Consider the critical question: How do we determine what are the proper and improper uses of science?

Science can’t provide the answer.

Why?

Because it operates by the principle of amorality. To promote its purpose of studying nature objectively, science stays silent on moral issues. Schrodinger in the same book states: “The scientific worldview contains of itself no ethical values.”

For example, science can tell us the results of putting arsenic in our grandmother’s breakfast, but it can’t tell us whether doing this to quickly get her property is right or wrong. Most people would hopefully find such a scheme revolting.

But where would that revulsion come from?

Not from their science, for its amorality would keep it deafeningly silent.

That revulsion would come from their ethical and spiritual fabric – something that scientism dismisses as an invalid or nonessential source of knowledge.

But such dismissal can be catastrophically consequential.

The absence of morality amidst the ascendance of science paved the way to the worst manmade horror in recent history: the Holocaust.

Hitler’s Nazi Germany prided itself on its scientific progress, yet it (ab)used science to exterminate six million Jews in its gas chambers. What can be a greater disrespect of humanity than the cold-mass murder of millions?

The partisans of scientism will protest: “Nazism caused the Holocaust, not scientism.”

Agreed. But would scientism have given any reason for stopping it?

It would have relied on science alone, and science would have stayed amorally mute.

Nowadays it has become fashionable among reductionists to invent explanations of the origin of morality in terms of psycho-evolutionary processes that supposedly operated on a non-existent mind in an unrecorded past through unknown mechanisms in non-demonstrable non-repeatable ways. But such explanations are pop psychology that is not science – it is science fiction. And, as Schrodinger put it, such explanations are “so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.”

A genuine scientist, unlike a scientistic zealot, appreciates humanity’s all-round potentials and accomplishments, In fact, Albert Einstein recommended such due deference in the essay Moral Decay in his book Out of My Later Years: “All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.”

 

Swim for it!
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(Kadamba Kanana Swami, 20 June 2014, Stockholm, Sweden, Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 22.75)

225969_1024003720981_8800_nSadhana-bhakti is like the Ganga. When we take bath in Mayapur, in the Ganga, then on the side, the water is not moving very much – it is slow. If you want to move in the water then you have to swim on your own strength but you go a little further out, you do not have to swim on your own strength. The current will just grab you, right, and just take you along.

So it is like that. Only in the beginning of bhakti is it depending on our endeavor until we get swept up in the current of attraction to Krsna. That attraction is very natural because Krsna has so many genuinely amazing qualities.

 

 

Donor Spotlight: Nancy Dodd
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Nancy Dodd, Donor Spotlight

Meet Nancy and you’ll be touched by her soft-spoken demeanor, her willingness to serve, and her attention to detail.  She first visited the temple, Sri Radha Kalachandji Dham,  in January 2009.    She had written lists of questions for His Holiness Indradyumna Swami, who happened to be visiting for the TKG Academy Valentines Day Festival.  When those questions were answered, Nancy came back with more.

She was attracted to the Hare Krishna philosophy, and the focus on the difference between the body and soul.  She strives to break free from the grasp that the material world defines us by and embrace self-realization according to Krishna’s desires. She was endeared by the ability to build an intimate loving relationship with the Lord.

She wants to serve the Lord and His devotees (all other living entities) with sincerity.  This philosophy allows the ability to understand and manifest Real Love of Krishna, and she is absorbed in wanting to please the Lord.

Walk into her store, Gowns of Grace:  A Bridal Boutique, located on West Lovers Lane in Dallas and be immediately surrounded by this exact loving mood she practices.  As a distinquished entrepreneur, she built this successful business out of years of hard work, experience and mounds of love.  Her focus on one-on-one customer service and attention to detail, is proof of how her love and personalism have flourished.

She is happy to support TKG Academy?   Why?

“An integrated approach to education is vital for our children,”  she replies emphatically.  “By involving spirituality within the realm of education, the impact reaches deeper and is more applicable to our entire life.”

 

Thank you Nancy! 10295253_10204016021627261_8337979091493397588_o

Harinama in Torino, Italy – 13 July (video)
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Lord Krishna said to Arjuna, 'O Arjuna! Listen attentively. When the living entity chants My name, whether out of devotion or indifference, I never forget this act. It remains always close to My heart. There is now vow like chanting the holy name, no knowledge superior to It, no meditation which comes anywhere near it, and it gives the highest result. No penance is equal to it, and nothing is as potent or powerful as the holy name. Read more ›

Monday, July 14th, 2014
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Toronto, Ontario
 
New Territory
 
 
Phil, Ananda Rupa, and Jagannatha, who are all visiting pilgrims, and I, trekked through posh Rosedale in the morning when we came upon a security guard at a childcare establishment.  He noticed us, stood there, and inquired about our exotic attire. 
 
“What do the clothes represent?” asked the dark and tall middle eastern man. 
 
“It represents Krishna Consciousness.”
 
He had a string of questions, including, “What book do you follow?”
 
“Bhagavad Gita,” I said.
 
“Do you believe in heaven and hell?  What happens when you die?  Do you believe God can be seen?”  From his looks and his questions, I gathered that he followed the Quran, as he was talking about a personal judgment day.   I hoped that my answers left him thinking about shades of grey, and not the usual black and white mode of perception.  He spoke about what he was taught, that there’s one book only. 
 
“So you wouldn’t read Alice in Wonderland?” I asked.
 
“No.”
 
My companions were lit up at his inquiries, and I believe that to some degree he was enjoying the responses as he stood in a fresh new territory of openness.  The sensation that we could talk in this liberal way, and not live in fear about sharing and learning, was comforting. 
 
In the end of our exchange, it was a warm embrace.  The experience was sweet.  I had to think about it, that who in such a place in Rosedale ever talks about spiritual things on the street?
 
May the Source be with you!
 
8 KM

Sunday, July 13th, 2014
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Toronto
 
Hypes
 
 
Certain hypes I don’t understand.  For instance, the world cup for the soccer tournament has captivated the globe, and this afternoon, Germany had won in the final game against Argentina.  A screen made its way to Centre Island on day two of our festival.  This was not part of the agenda, however, championship enthusiasts, who also have a heart with Krishna, went to the side to immerse themselves watching the game on the screen. 
 
Attendance at the Island was a little bit down, due in part to the spectacle causing many people to just stay at home.  Rain, I guess, was a second excuse. 
 
When hype of the magnitude of the soccer game takes place, usually there’s extra drinking that goes on. By that, I’m not referring to Kool-Aid.  We had incident, not on the Island, but back at home base at the temple ashram.  Two men and a woman, highly intoxicated, made their way inside our building and did some property damage.  I can’t blame stupid behaviour on soccer games, but I can say that there should be happier and cleaner ways to celebrate. 
 
Speaking of drinking hard, our very controversial mayor, Mr. Rob Ford, showed up at the Chariot Festival on Centre Island.  He actually had his time on the stage and congratulated our community for the ongoing success of the festival.  He ended up saying, “Hare Krishna”, which from our point of view is a more than pious thing to do. 
 
Thank you, Mayor Ford, for making it to the event.  You are a public figure known for your gutsiness.  As you saw yourself, people from our community were swarming around you after you made your speech.  In any event, it was very considerate of you to attend. 
 
I wanted to congratulate the three second-initiates – Aindra, Rupa and Sanatan, who took that next spiritual step. 
 
May the Source be with you!
 
6 KM

Saturday, July 12th, 2014
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Toronto, Ontario

Not Much But So Much


Not much to say other than the event.  The 42nd Annual Ratha Yatra Chariot Festival was a smashing event.  I saw all kinds of people come out of the woodwork, so to speak, at the Yonge Street procession, as well as Centre Island where crowds were enjoying good clean fun.  As pointed out in the past, no drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, sex, and at the same time having a blast, is practically unheard of in this day and age. 

That’s what happened!

May the Source be with you!

10 KM

Friday, July 11th, 2014
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Toronto, Ontario

High Point


Monks have come, sannyasis by the name of Gopal Krishna, Bhakti Raghava, Chandramauli, and Janardan.  Lay members have arrived, some who are family members, some who are singles.  There are the elderly, the very young, children and babies, and adolescents that have made their way to 243 Avenue Road for the warm-up session leading to this year’s Chariot Festival.

I am referring to a 12 hour kirtan, a chanting marathon.  These folks have come from far and wide, cities from locations in primarily North America are represented.  The vibes are great.  I was given the honour to kick start the function.  I was fortunate to have our boys from the Krishna Culture Bus Tour all around me.  The well known kirtan icon, Madhava, was there to support with his voice while Phil Lussier, who so expertly adjusts to any of my tune switching, was fingering on the harmonium. 

Throught the day, mantras were resounding.  I would call our building nothing less than a busy anthill or beehive.  By evening, the high point reached during Madhava’s lead – a crescendo of sound, of movement, of smells, and finally, the fire of digestion. 

Anyone who was there at those lofty moments could appreciate the words of the Bhagavad Gita, “The Higher Taste”.

May the Source be with you!

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Never Stop Chanting
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The other day I told you about my 40th anniversary of chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. Now here is an old friend of mine who has probably sung thousands more kirtans than myself, who has involved hundreds of thousands more people, and who tours the world introducing kirtan to countless people for the very first time. He never – ever – tires of sitting down with a small pair of cymbals and singing. To see the effect he has on others while he’s singing, have a look at this very short film:


Bhakta Lal in Critical Condition
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BY SANTI VARDHANA CAITANYA DASA

PHOTO BY KULAPRADA RADHA DEVI DASI

JOHOR BHARU - One gem of a devotee, although not active now, is in very critical condition.

Bhakta Lal, a youth from Teluk Intan, cultivated by Adi Purusa Krishan Prabhu, contracted denggi and is in ICU in Johor Bahru. He is unconscious.

In youth days, he used to dedicately serve HH Jayapataka Swami, together with other youth boys from Teluk Intan.

Please pray for for his quick recovery. He is the bread winner in his family.

Their non devotees kill them its fine?
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I was a little shocked and perplexed by an article posted recently on a very prominent devotee news outlet given the flack I sometimes get on postings on my blog which is posted on only 1 devotee outlet via a historical RSS feed set up without my knowledge
I read and wondered what verses from any devotee source or teachings from Srila Prabhupada was being used and what stage did we promote such uncompassionate almost fundamentalist ideas or immense hatred of others.
In this material world in the age of kali quarrels and war are a symptom and in these global disputes it is the elderly, women, children who become collateral damage, indeed modern warfare rather than being a nobal one between two sets of soldiers with casualties being on both sides; modern warfare has now more civilians killed than soldiers.
What shocked me was the comments made on one long running war over disputed territory which both claim for historical and religious reasons is theirs and which has seen a recent excilation with now nearly 200 killed mainly women, elderly and children who live in these disputed territory.
The article pointed out one does not allow devotees freedom to worship Sri Krishna and one does hence one legitimately has the right to kill another and we should not show compassion or be comcernedy for the loss of life.
Do we preach this?
Your a non devotee you don’t let us chant the holy names of Krishna so killing you or watching you suffer and be killed is fine?
Is this Srila Prabhupada’s teaching the death of women and children is fine if it’s non devotee or they live in a state that does not allow preaching of Krishna consciousness for that’s what they deserve?
NO!
We see how many devotee’s risked their lives to preach Krishna Consciousness in countries were it was banned showed compassion distributed not only the holy names of Krishna but krishna prasadam.
And how did Krishna respond? He made the country political system change and then an explosion of devotees came, quiet revolution that took everyone by surprise, we show the willingness to share true love Krishna reciprocates.
Violence begets Violence
Indeed scripture warns of the consequence of armed conflict indeed the only righteous war is waged by Sri Krishna himself and NO civilians are killed injured or become refugees in wretched conditions.
Why war?
False identification
I am this body
This land is mine
This is my people
This is our way.
What did Srila Prabhupada teach?
What did Sri Krishna teach?
You are not the body you are spirit soul; identification of the body is illusion
Krishna says Surrender unto me become my devotee render service unto me become my devotee
Devotee is full of compassion for the fallen conditioned soul captivated by maya and her illusionary energy falsely identifying with the body with little or no understanding of the soul.
Our preaching was made simple chant the holy names of Krishna, if this is not possible then distribute Krishna prasadam this will change their consciousness, this is our bullet’s they do not kill! they feed and nurish both body and soul.
So we go into the lands that appear by mayas illusionary energy to hate us and liderate them through kindness, through prasadam and show Krishna’s love is the example! The only way
For our body, gender, background is tempory
Our land is only temporary
Both belong to and should be engaged in Krishna’s service offered daily to Krishna the moment we exclude Krishna and stop showing Krishna’s love then as a society we are doomed.
So scatter those bullets of Krishna prasadam, offer comfort and shelter to even those who say they are our enemy for by our kindness as Krishna states even our enemy will forget sit down and act like family.
Krishna consciousness is sublime and the most powerful of weapons, and our biggest weapon compassion and love.

An interview with Krsna Ksetra Das – soon to be Krsna Ksetra Swami
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We have recently found out that you will take sannyasa, and that the initiation will take place at Goloka Dham, Germany on Janmastami this year. What made you decide to take this step? What made me decide to take this step was no single event, it was I would say the culmination of a process of reflection that I`ve been having quite some years actually. I was cautious because we have seen in ISKCON there have been in the past what you might call sannyasa casualties and I didn`t want to be a part of that statistic. So I thought better to wait and make sure. I also felt that since Srila Prabhupada gave sannyasa to senior devotees, he had a purpose for this and I want to respect that purpose and, I think, to expand my service by making this commitment. And in one sense people say I`m already a sannyasi. That may be the case, but I`d like to make it confirmed. And since it`s Krishna`s arrangement that there are four ashramas, I thought let me also take advantage of the ashrama. All of the ashramas are meant to be supportive for devotional service, so I also see the sannyasa ashrama as a means of support for my spiritual life personally and also for helping others in their spiritual life. Read more ›

New Vrindaban’s Old Log Cabin and the Brick House
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The Old Log Cabin  and The Brick House

The New Vrindaban Advocacy Sanga met with Jaya Krsna prabhu on Tues. July 5, 2014.  One of the topics that came up was the recent removal of the old log cabin that used to sit just off the road across from Srila Prabhupada’s Palace of gold.  It was made of massive, thick logs and, at one time, was an attractive remnant from the Limestone area’s past.  Over the years, there have been various additions and subtractions made on the cabin.  Acting on inquiries from residents of the community, who noticed with some surprise that the cabin was being dismantled, the Advocacy Sanga brought up the topic with Jaya Krsna on behalf of the residents.

According to Jaya Krsna, although the log cabin has been taken down, it will be re-used as a temple for Krsna for the devotees living in the area of Yudhisthira’s land.

Jaya Krsna explained, “There are a few reasons why the log cabin has been removed.  First of all (but not necessarily in order of importance) New Vrindaban has been doing a lot of promotion over the last two years to bring back visitors and buses to Srila Prabhupada’s Palace of Gold.  This includes TV spots in Pittsburgh, ads in tourism magazines, as well as distributing flyers to a wider area than we have done in a long time.

 to bring back visitors and buses to Srila Prabhupada’s Palace of Gold. This includes TV spots in Pittsburgh, ads in tourism magazines, as well as distributing flyers to a wider area than we have done in a long time. As a result, we have experienced that more buses and tourists are coming. Our Palace parking lot is not big enough to accommodate all the vehicles. At the beginning of the season, two spaces for tour buses have already been realized.

Jaya Krsna went on, “Another reason concerns the history of this cabin. Some people thought that the cabin was a significant historic building, in which case we would not want to remove it, but rather have it certified and marked as such. However, after some research, Varsana Maharaj discovered that the cabin had been a church built in 1810, originally in Limestone, but had been moved two times prior to settling where it was for some years now, across from the Palace. It was not at all connected with the historic Wetzel family, as many people thought – a family who had settled the current area of New Vrindaban back in frontier days. In addition, when Yudhisthira recently approached the Marshall County Historical Society, they showed no interest, nor did they give any historical significance to the cabin.”

According to Jaya Krsna, the third reason for removing the cabin is related to Varsana Maharaj’s Govardhana Hill and Sri Sri Radha Gopinath Mandir project. There have been plans in place for many years to construct this small replica of Vrindavan Dhama in New Vrindaban in the area of Govardhana Hill, a region which includes the log cabin as well as the brick house (Kirtanananda Swami’s old house). Just a couple of years ago, when some professsors from WVU did research work on the topic of holy places of pilgrimage in New Vrindaban, they recommended that, for optimum effectiveness, there should be no buildings obstructing the view or the access between the Palace and Govardhana Hill.

 

This is a fact which has already been proven at the recent July 4 festival. Visitors were seen leaving their Palace tour, and then walking directly up to the Sri Sri Radha Gopinatha Mandir, which was now clearly visible due to the removal of the cabin.

“Finally,” Jaya Krsna reminded everyone, “the decision about the log cabin was discussed at the April joint Board meetings and then presented to the community during the community dialog that same weekend.

The Brick House

The brick house, still standing next to where the log cabin was situated, originally belonged to non-devotees, but was bought by the community in 1980, and ultimately became Kirtanananda Swami’s residence for some years, with a men’s asrama downstairs. After he left the community in 1994, the brick house was used as living quarters for one family upstairs, and offices for the Palace downstairs. But then, the house remained empty for many years and fell into disrepair. Eventually, there was a new roof put in, and the basement was gutted in order to eliminate the black mold, all in an effort to possibly make the house useful again. However, due to various changes in New Vrindaban at the time, the house was never again used to this date, and is now in even worse shape.

Jaya Krsna says that this house will also soon be taken down and partially re-used, in order to further clear that area for the Govardhana Hill project, which is meant to help fulfill the part of Srila Prabhupada’s vision for New Vrindaban as a place of pilgrimage.

 

Banned in V.K. (Vai-Kuṇṭha)
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Banned in V.K. (Vai-Kuṇṭha)

This is an extremely important purāṇik story, please hear it attentively. Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 3.15.26:

Brahmā’s four sons became saturated with supreme, unprecedented delight when the force of their attachment granted them entry into Vaikuṇṭha, which is the only truly praiseworthy place, full of dazzling, amazing, transcendental crafts, and predominated by the Guru of All. They felt a bliss greater than they had ever felt before, because they anticipated that here they would receive the highest enlightenment from that supreme guru.

The “force of attraction” is yoga-māyā. Hari extended this to the Kumāras because he is the viśva-guru and wanted them to come to him to learn about bhakti.

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With complete detachment, those four scholars passed through the gates of six walls, approaching Hari’s palace. At the seventh they saw two divine beings of the same age holding clubs and bedecked with incalculably valuable bracelets, earrings, crowns, and exquisite cloth. Delirious bees surrounded the flower-necklaces hanging from the bluish shoulders between their four arms. Their eyebrows frowned, their nostrils flared, and their reddish eyes, stirring to anger, glanced at the four boys.

“Why were they angry at the boys?” The gods asked Brahmā.

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Brahmā explained that the boys had no sense of discrimination, no sense of property or boundaries, so they were habituated to simply going wherever they wanted and doing whatever they needed without asking permission. Therefore, they tried to open the gold-and-diamond doors of the seventh gate without asking permission from the doorkeepers.

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The doorkeepers saw that the four naked five-year-old children had comprehended only the reality of oneness. So the held out their staffs, preventing the children from entering. They thought, “These monists are too proud of their powerful realization, and do not deserve to enter the palace. Their behavior will not please Hari.” But from another angle it was the door keepers who took their powerful post too seriously and displeased Hari by disregarding the fact that Hari is always pleased to meet a true spiritualist.

31:
Many divine entities saw this and realized that the two gatekeepers had blocked the most deserving souls, so they hurried to inform Hari. Meanwhile, the eyes of the children suddenly flooded with anger, as a result of the obstacle to their most eagerly desired audience with the dearest friend of the soul, Hari.

Actually the four children did possess some type of seed of bhakti, because they had lobha (greed) to attain Hari’s darśan for the sake of learning about him. So they should not have been blocked. Being blocked from their transcendental greed, they developed transcendental anger. The verse uses the word kāmānuja for “anger”, it literally means “the younger brother of greed.”

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“Who are you,” they incredulously asked, “to have attained such exalted service to the All-Attractive, yet to still have a character that generates disharmony among the harmonious residents here in Vaikuṇṭha?”

“We are gatekeepers!” they said, “We must guard against the possibility that Hari’s enemy may take the guise of a spiritualist to infiltrate the palace!”

“You are guarding the person who is the source of all peace and who has no enemy!” The sages pointed out, their anger flaring higher. “You alone among all the residents of Vaikuṇṭha do not have a nature similar to his! That must be why you suspect that there could be an enemy who might sneak into Vaikuṇṭha.

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“Fools!” they continued, “just try to listen to reason.

The All-Attractive beyond this gate contains the entire cosmos within him and is the soul of every soul. Every soul is simply like a pot containing a portion of the sky that is Hari. You don’t seem to understand this. You two look like divine beings, so why have you developed this foolish idea that living beings are separate from Hari, and could possibly threaten him?”

The doorkeepers did not reply.

The children spoke amongst themselves,

“We should think of some punishment that would bestow a supreme blessing upon these two slow-witted servants of the Husband of Vaikuṇṭha.”

Then, turning to the doorkeepers, they declared,

“Leave here and enter the worlds where you can easily see the three awful results of your dualistic mentality: lust, anger, and greed — the only true enemies.”

Proponents of the theory that the living entity was established actively in a life in Vaikuṇṭha prior to entering the material world frequently refer to this incident in search of some support from śāstra for their conception. However this is not a tenable reference, for the following reasons:

1) The theory claims that aversion to Hari can develop in Vaikuṇṭha. However, the gatekeepers did not possess aversion to Hari, they simply made a bad decision on a difficult issue, as a result of their devotion to Hari making them feel the vatsālya-bhāva that they needed to protect Hari from possible enemies.

2) The theory seeks to explain why the living entity falls into delusion and forgets Hari. However, the gatekeepers did not fall into maya like an ordinary soul.

3) The astonishment of the Kumāras over their misconception that the doorkeepers were disharmonious with the nature of Vaikuṇṭha indicates that such a thing (disharmony in Vaikuṇṭha) would be impossible, inexplicable and astonishing.

4) The departure of the two doorkeepers from Vaikuṇṭha is an extremely uncommon event requiring the curse from extremely powerful brahmanas. Yet the theory seeks to use this incident as evidence for the eternal, normal generation of jīvas who are not in perfect harmony with Hari.

Therefore this incident does not at all illustrate the viability of the theory that we infinite living entities were previously in Vaikuṇṭha with Hari.