And of course, it happened on Facebook.
I posted:
“Less intelligent” is an easily misinterpreted phrase. If women are “less intelligent” then man in the way we usually think of the English word “intelligent” – why is Devahūti the 1st ācārya of the extremely philosophical saṁkhya darśan of Kapila? Why is the Vedic personification of intelligence a woman, Sarasvatī. She is the very form of the Veda itself (as Vāk, and also as Savitrī), and is the mantra-guru without whose help Brahmā’s attempt to meditate would not likely have succeeded.
In Sanskrit there is a word “Buddhi” and a word “Vivek” these are both considered essential components of Jñāna. Jñāna is a difficult word to translate, but it has to do with the fruit of intelligence: knowledge. Buddhi we could more easily translate as “intelligence” and Vivek we would translate as “discrimination.” Vivek produces detachment by the negative analytical process (neti neti – “This is not important, That’s not important”). As such it is essential to practice the yogas on the jñāna-mārg. Women have significantly less Vivek then men (speaking as a class, individuals, of course vary) because they are, by bio-emotional design, the mothering gender and are much more rich in positive intellectual and emotional functions which create an atmosphere of cohesion, family, unity, and love which is essential for human beings, especially when we are young.
This is the sense in which women are “less-intelligent.”
Someone’s replies made me lose my marbles…
Him: Let us practice Vedic Culture and not some speculation, let us accept Srila Prabhupada who is Jagat Guru or not. Please let us know. There is millons of ways for argument and counter argument. Sidhanta is what Srila Prabhupada had said ” Women are less inteligent” Not devotee women. There is great women saints, but regular women if you think that you are a women , than “women are less inteligent ” Why we want to change Srila Prabhupada’s conclusions. The vedas and shastras has to be giving to you by Guru and not just reading. Many people they read Shastra, millons by how many follow Srila Prabhupada’s conclusions. I had being to many Matajis classes, but I prefer the Sannyasis and Sadhus classes. Most of the Matajis classes are emotional and sentimentally charge and not like the Prabhu’s classes
Me: https://vicd108.wordpress.com/…/10/interpreting-the-guru/
Him:
Chapter 9: The Most Confidential Knowledge
TEXT 32
mam hi partha vyapasritya
ye ‘pi syuh papa-yonayah
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras
te ‘pi yanti param gatim
SYNONYMS
mām-unto Me; hi-certainly; pārtha-O son of Pṛthā; vyapāśrītya-particularly taking shelter; ye-anyone; api-also; syuḥ-becomes; pāpa-yonayaḥ—born of a lower family; striyaḥ—women; vaiśyāḥ—mercantile people; tathā—also; śūdrāḥ—lower class men; te api—even they; yānti—go; parām—supreme; gatim—destination.
TRANSLATION
O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth-women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]-can approach the supreme destination.
Krishna has discrimination why not us
Its not everything one this is Mayavadi
So is Vraja Kishor better than Krishna?
Srila Prabhupada has said what Krishna said, you can have millons of arguments but to be safe let us hear what Krishna has said
Me:
This Gita verse is a perfect example of how your subjectivity prevents you from understanding in a non-mysogynistic way. You think that pāpa-yoni (sinful births) are strī, vaiṣya and śūdra (women, merchants, and laberors). But the actual Sanskrit doesn’t say this. Pāpa-yoni is a fourth class. “women, merchants, laberors, and the uncivilized (pāpa-yoni, “sinful” or “bad birth”) can attain the supreme goal if they take shelter of me.
Next you will say, “Vraja thinks he knows Gita better than Srila Prabhupada or better than Krishna. But the truth is that I just know bhagavad gita better than YOU.
have you stopped to consider how UNintelligent it is to use the verse you have quoted to support a claim that women are less intelligent than men? (1) Nowhere in the verse is there a mention of intelligence, (2) If it is about intelligence, there are FOUR people who lack it, three of them are men.
The real problem is that people like you, Jayadhvaja Dasa don’t have the capacity to study śāstra carefully and you become angry at people like me, who can.
Him:
pāpa-yonayaḥ—born of a lower family; striyaḥ—women; vaiśyāḥ—mercantile people; tathā—also; śūdrāḥ—lower class men; te api—even they; yānti—go; parām—supreme; gatim—destination.
Me: get off facebook. go to http://www.learnsanskrit.org instead
pāpa-yonayaḥ, striyaḥ, vaiśyāḥ, śūdrāḥ — see they all have the same declination…
You express your anger by demonizing me and painting me as a person who is either puffed up or deviant or unchaste or etc. etc. etc. I am so tired of it.
Him:
Mrs. Wax: Could a woman be a temple president?
Prabhupada: Yes, why not?
Mrs. Wax: Glad to hear it.
Prabhupada: But because women are less intelligent, they should remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband, and first-class son. Then she is first-class. That is the injunction. Woman should remain dependent in childhood upon first-class father, in youthhood upon first-class husband, and in old age upon first-class son. Woman is never independent. If she becomes independent, her life is not very good. She must agree to remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband, and first-class son-three stages. ============ REF. Room Conversation with Mr. & Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine — July 5, 1975, Chicago
Let us hear from Srila Prabhupada directly
Me: I am so glad that you know Prabhupada well enough to make other people sick to their stomachs.
People like you make me want to forget about Prabhupada. But then I remember that this would be the stupidest thing in the world. The person I really need to forget about is you and your kind. Those who represent Prabhupada in such a reprehensibly poor manner.
Him: Are you ready to accept Prabhupada if is not let us know. Simple let us not hide under Srila Prbhupada’s umbrela and use his teaching to project your teachings. Is nothing wrong with you. I just wanted to know if you accept Srila Prabhupada 100%
Me: https://vicd108.wordpress.com/…/im-arguing-with-you…/ I’m arguing with YOU, not Prabhupāda.
I accept Prabhupāda, I don’t accept YOUR version of Prabhupāda.